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Scott Klusendorf puts the charge to his guest directly. Immediatist and equal protection advocates say that people like Klusendorf and Newman — who argue the worldview work has to come first — are cowards waiting for universal agreement before protecting anyone.

Newman's first answer is one word. Then he makes the case.

We live in a nation that lives and dies legally on the consent of the governed. Unenforced laws are everywhere: one state in "Pivot" has an adultery statute carrying a ten-dollar fine, and nobody has been tried under it in a very long time. In the UK, Newman's own research found four convictions under anti-abortion laws over twenty years — almost all of them confessions.

"There's a difference between making excuses for something and recognizing political realities."

What the immediatists are really describing, he argues, is a theonomy — a country where God's will could simply be declared the law of the land. God didn't set it up that way. He gave people free will, and people have exercised it.

Which leaves persuasion. And persuasion is why he thinks the grandstanding persists: "It's easy to grandstand on legislation." Steamrolling a room at the Southern Baptist Convention and declaring a moral victory is easy. Actually accomplishing something is not.

He also has a word for the old-guard-versus-new-guard framing — that people appearing on the scene today assume the last fifty years didn't happen. There was a moral majority. There was a push for a constitutional amendment, and it failed. Missouri fell. Ohio fell.

The warning: if you don't lay the moral foundation, there's no reason your nation can't turn into a death cult nation. Look at Canada. Look at physician-assisted suicide in our own states.

But the segment ends on evidence, not warning. You don't even need a theological argument — Secular Pro-Life makes the moral case without believing in God. And education works. Newman's favorite story in "Pivot" is about a man who asked river-to-the-sea protesters which river and which sea. They didn't know. Once he showed them on a map and asked where the Jews and Arab Israelis were supposed to go, the vast majority moved off the position.

That's what persuasion looks like when someone bothers to do it.

Full episode: https://youtu.be/z309dJWrwlo Are Pro-Lifers Who Build Consensus First Just Cowards?

Are Pro-Lifers Who Build Consensus First Just Cowards?

Dr. Marc Newman has worked with pregnancy centers since the late 1980s — first through the Pro-Life Speaker Seminar, then thirty years of banquet and fundraising work, and now Contend for Life seminars equipping pastors and lay leaders across the country.

So when Scott Klusendorf asks him what a pregnancy center is for, the answer carries some weight:

"The primary goal of pregnancy resource centers is singular. It's to save children who are at risk from abortion. That is what they exist to do."

Klusendorf frames two distractions pulling at these organizations right now. From the left, the push to shift from pro-life to pro-abundant life — fatherhood initiatives, family formation, discipleship, church integration, and a list he says would overwhelm Superman. From the right, equal protection groups arguing that centers failing to back their legislation are failing in their duty to serve God and save children.

Newman's answer is more nuanced than the headline suggests. He defends STI testing, where a center reaches people it knows are sexually active and can preempt an unintended pregnancy entirely. He defends fatherhood work, on the grounds that what the father says is often the single biggest factor in whether a woman aborts. He defends handing a new believer off to a group like Amy Ford's Embrace Grace so a local church can disciple her — because the center doesn't have the resources to do that itself, and coordination gets the benefit without diluting the mission.

The condition is the same in every case: don't take your eye off the ball. The person at risk of being intentionally killed is the unborn child.

Dr. Marc Newman is the author of "Pivot", a strategy for the pro-life movement in post-Roe America.

Watch the full conversation: https://youtu.be/z309dJWrwlo What Is a Pregnancy Resource Center Actually For?

What Is a Pregnancy Resource Center Actually For?

Pregnancy centers are taking heat from the right as well as the left. The charge: if you were really committed to abolishing abortion, you'd back equal protection bills that would prosecute women for murder.

Dr. Marc Newman starts with a two-part question he runs every time he hears the phrase:

"Whenever I hear the term equal protection, the first question that comes to my mind is: who are you protecting? And how effectively will what you do protect that person?"

The second half is empirical. It doesn't ask whether your goal is good — it asks whether your method reaches the child. His answer on the bills is that they haven't passed anywhere and haven't come close.

The stated explanation is that pro-lifers won't join. Newman treats that as the evidence: "If you can't get the people who are already closely aligned with you, how in the world do you think you're ever going to get people who are actively opposed to you?"

Scott Klusendorf lands it: "They have a total inability to build coalitions with the people they need to convert to win the day. And then they blame those that don't agree with them."

Newman also notes that the big pushes always happen in states that are already deeply pro-life. At that point, he says, you're just an incrementalist. Try it in California. Try it in Illinois or New York.

Then the argument turns to the church. Newman tells rooms full of pastors something he admits is strange — that we have to teach our people not to intentionally kill their children — because it has gone unsaid, "and because it's gone unsaid, that vacuum has been filled by the language of the abortion industry."

Which leads to the statistic that stops people: about 40% of women having abortions are in church at the time of their abortion. His conclusion — if you wanted to shut down Planned Parenthood, the quickest way is to keep church people out of their offices. Most organizations can't survive a 40% dip in clientele.

Full episode: https://youtu.be/z309dJWrwlo Why Equal Protection Bills Keep Failing Everywhere They're Tried

Why Equal Protection Bills Keep Failing Everywhere They're Tried

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